You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Theres a lot to be said here, still. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. I dont believe there was a CK. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. 3 yr. ago. I lived through the media coverage. Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. Our laws are not written that way. In a perfect world this would always be the case. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative She s. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. A very reasonable request that was rejected. The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. Anyways. answer the question why didn t steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Probably a 911 button. In Rules book, Diane is portrayed as a horrible selfish mother but her family and friends saw another version; she lovedher childrendearly and worked hard to be a good provider. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? Im sorry but your article is tosh. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. Simply because I researched them. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? The whole case is crazy. They are still part of their birth family. They lied about the ballistics. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. They were put in an impossible situation. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. But the Parole Board refused to hear her. I hope she is granted parole. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. Click here to read the complaint. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information And he grew up there. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. I look forward to reading your other blogs. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. No conflict of interest there? She was not in the car when her children were shot. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. Diane had siblings and parents. Diane was just 18 years old but determined to get married. It surely was not due process. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. After giving birth to . After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. Lets not take that lightly. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a , Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Wow. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Diane is not a killer or a liar! But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. She even provided the police with her own sketch. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. She was fighting back and they did not like it. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. Were they involved in the plot too?? So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? This is also what the state did to her. Seriously. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. No other shooter involved in her case. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. then later you ask how diane didnt have any blood splatter on her when she was inside the car when she shot her kids??? They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. So Mark, where are you from? The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from a trio of economists says pandemic lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths. They examined her clothes also. The detective said to leave that up to the police. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? Makes no difference to me. Nobody knows but her. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. They seem to say she was like that from the very beginning so in my opinion, it should represent a mitigating circumstance instead of a longer sentence. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. Thats food for thought. Danny was the product of an affair. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. It isnt there all the time. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. Was that Annes fault as well? Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. Mind: Wrongful convicted. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. They rarely are, especially in the US. That poor girl. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. What was the rationale behind this? It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. Its too late for me to call myself a murderer (when I am not) just to purchase my freedom. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. Lise,,,,, yes you did. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? You are right. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. It is not my point. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? It will likely take place very early in the war when John is young. She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. 4. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Inside, outside, top to bottom. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. That says it all. 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